[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 13:12:49 PDT 2009

This isn't TW cable, TW will be running fiber to the building and
delivering ethernet.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of the
question however.

-M@

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net> wrote:
> I'm paying quite a bit less for a twcable 10mb pipe into one of our dc's
> Does this have to be into that facility? Or would a carrier neutral NOC
> work?
>
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>
> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking for
> similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only easy solution
> is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So if we want more than a
> 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a fractional DS3, or bonded
> T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>
> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is welcome to
> comment of course.
>
> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All speeds are
> symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>
> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>
> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>
> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The
> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>
> -M@
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com> wrote:
>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>
>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is a
>> conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public and
>> private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, etc)
>>
>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a
>> circuit from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and then
>> you will be as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>
>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good pricing
>> from multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps circuits into a
>> colocation facility, or anywhere that's on their networks (see:
>> ON-NET). depending on how many sites you want to branch out to for
>> coverage, it can get quite pricy quite quickly.
>>
>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber
>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I
>> have Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my
>> buildings based on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term.
>> That's for a dedicated 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you
>> can get alot of services quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get
>> 1000Mbps wire to the internet with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>
>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let me
>> know and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian Whalen wrote:
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>>>   <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service provider]<br>
>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or less<br>
>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only
>>> one-fourth of the <br>
>>> customers are online during internet rush hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125
>>> MBPS<br>
>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>> time. <br>
>>> how is that done?<br>
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>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and speak BGP
>>> to several providers, or connect to a single provider that does this
>>> already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, Internap was the defacto
>>> standard in the past for this, I don't know about now.<br>
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