[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 13:30:50 PDT 2009

I never said anything about coax....?
I have a 10mb/sec metro ethernet connection with twcable.

Unless you mean twtelecom, but that's a completely different company.

What I meant by the carrier neutral NOC, is maybe the pricing is more
because they don't have lines or equipment in proximity to the building on
miramar.

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[mailto:discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble
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Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

He didn't say it was twcable as in coax. He was referring to the vendor. 
Come on.

Matt Fanady wrote:
> This isn't TW cable, TW will be running fiber to the building and 
> delivering ethernet.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of the 
> question however.
> 
> -M@
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net> 
> wrote:
>> I'm paying quite a bit less for a twcable 10mb pipe into one of our 
>> dc's Does this have to be into that facility? Or would a carrier 
>> neutral NOC work?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org 
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org] On Behalf Of Matt Fanady
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:01 PM
>> To: SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET 
>> BACKBONE
>>
>>
>> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking 
>> for similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only 
>> easy solution is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So 
>> if we want more than a 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a 
>> fractional DS3, or bonded T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>>
>> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is 
>> welcome to comment of course.
>>
>> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All speeds 
>> are symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>>
>> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
>> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
>> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
>> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>>
>> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>>
>> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The 
>> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>>
>> -M@
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>>
>>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is 
>>> a conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public 
>>> and private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, etc)
>>>
>>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a 
>>> circuit from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and 
>>> then you will be as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>>
>>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good pricing 
>>> from multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps circuits into a 
>>> colocation facility, or anywhere that's on their networks (see: 
>>> ON-NET). depending on how many sites you want to branch out to for 
>>> coverage, it can get quite pricy quite quickly.
>>>
>>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber 
>>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I 
>>> have Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my 
>>> buildings based on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term. 
>>> That's for a dedicated 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you 
>>> can get alot of services quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get 
>>> 1000Mbps wire to the internet with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>>
>>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let 
>>> me know and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Whalen wrote:
>>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> 
>>>> <html> <head>
>>>>   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" 
>>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" 
>>>> text="#000000"> green bean wrote:
>>>> <blockquote
>>>>  cite="mid:827143b70904261100t402e0b7le18ffaea9f9d599a at mail.gmail.com"
>>>>  type="cite">
>>>>   <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service
provider]<br>
>>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or
less<br>
>>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only
>>>> one-fourth of the <br>
>>>> customers are online during internet rush hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125
>>>> MBPS<br>
>>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>>> time. <br>
>>>> how is that done?<br>
>>>>   </div>
>>>>   <pre wrap="">
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>>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and speak 
>>>> BGP to several providers, or connect to a single provider that does 
>>>> this already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, Internap was the 
>>>> defacto standard in the past for this, I don't know about now.<br> 
>>>> <br> Brian<br>
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