[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 13:44:08 PDT 2009

Ah, no problem.

My guess is that you're getting charged more because of location.  If you
were to go into say castle access's new NOC in RB (not sure if that's
feasible since I don't know what you're trying to run), you can get closer
to $30/mb at 10mb/sec instead of the $125/mb that they're charging you on
miramar.  I have a ton of space in there in case you need some.  They only
have cage space at the moment.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org] On Behalf Of Matt Fanady
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

It just seemed like you put an emphasis on the word cable, where as I
usually just refer to them as Time Warner or TW so there's no confusion, as
many people don't realize they offer internet services besides those
delivered over coax....didn't mean to insult anyone....just making sure
we're all talking about the same thing.

As far as the carrier neutral NOC, I have no idea...I don't even know how to
go about finding something like that out.

-M@

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net> wrote:
> I never said anything about coax....?
> I have a 10mb/sec metro ethernet connection with twcable.
>
> Unless you mean twtelecom, but that's a completely different company.
>
> What I meant by the carrier neutral NOC, is maybe the pricing is more 
> because they don't have lines or equipment in proximity to the 
> building on miramar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE
>
>
> He didn't say it was twcable as in coax. He was referring to the 
> vendor. Come on.
>
> Matt Fanady wrote:
>> This isn't TW cable, TW will be running fiber to the building and 
>> delivering ethernet.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of the 
>> question however.
>>
>> -M@
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net>
>> wrote:
>>> I'm paying quite a bit less for a twcable 10mb pipe into one of our 
>>> dc's Does this have to be into that facility? Or would a carrier 
>>> neutral NOC work?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org 
>>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at socalfreenet.org] On Behalf Of Matt Fanady
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:01 PM
>>> To: SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET 
>>> BACKBONE
>>>
>>>
>>> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking 
>>> for similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only 
>>> easy solution is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So 
>>> if we want more than a 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a 
>>> fractional DS3, or bonded T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>>>
>>> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is 
>>> welcome to comment of course.
>>>
>>> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All 
>>> speeds are symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>>>
>>> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
>>> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
>>> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
>>> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>>>
>>> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>>>
>>> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The 
>>> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>>>
>>> -M@
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>>>
>>>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is 
>>>> a conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public 
>>>> and private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, 
>>>> etc)
>>>>
>>>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a 
>>>> circuit from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and 
>>>> then you will be as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>>>
>>>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good 
>>>> pricing from multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps 
>>>> circuits into a colocation facility, or anywhere that's on their 
>>>> networks (see: ON-NET). depending on how many sites you want to 
>>>> branch out to for coverage, it can get quite pricy quite quickly.
>>>>
>>>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber 
>>>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I 
>>>> have Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my 
>>>> buildings based on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term. 
>>>> That's for a dedicated 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you 
>>>> can get alot of services quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get 
>>>> 1000Mbps wire to the internet with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>>>
>>>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let 
>>>> me know and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Whalen wrote:
>>>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> 
>>>>> <html> <head>
>>>>>   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
>>>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" 
>>>>> text="#000000"> green bean wrote: <blockquote
>>>>>  cite="mid:827143b70904261100t402e0b7le18ffaea9f9d599a at mail.gmail.com"
>>>>>  type="cite">
>>>>>   <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service
> provider]<br>
>>>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or
> less<br>
>>>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only 
>>>>> one-fourth of the <br> customers are online during internet rush 
>>>>> hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125 MBPS<br>
>>>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>>>> time. <br>
>>>>> how is that done?<br>
>>>>>   </div>
>>>>>   <pre wrap="">
>>>>> <hr size="4" width="90%">
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>>>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and 
>>>>> speak BGP to several providers, or connect to a single provider 
>>>>> that does this already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, 
>>>>> Internap was the defacto standard in the past for this, I don't 
>>>>> know about now.<br> <br> Brian<br> </body>
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