[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 14:26:15 PDT 2009

Thanks for the reply, nice writeup :)

I have done load balancing with both PFSense, and Zyxel before, and
found them both to be, shall we say, less than perfect.  In my
experience, they've worked in so far as that all WAN's were being
used, pretty evenly, but small yet annoying oddities would crop up now
and then.  FTP being one of the most annoying, followed closely by
VPN.

Have you tested these applications with Octolink?  What is the biggest
drawback to the Octolink that you've experienced?

-M@

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Neil Schneider <pacneil at linuxgeek.net> wrote:
>
> I just set up a high bandwidth user with 3 DSL connections and 3 Cable
> connections and an SWAN SW-88 Load balancer. They too were looking at TW
> fiber but also wanted redundancy. I could have set them up with 4 of each, but
> they didn't feel they needed that much bandwidth. The load balancer does fail
> over between connections and provides them with all the bandwidth they require
> at a fraction of what they would have to pay TWC for a 10Mb connection. And
> since they are using half DSL and half Cable, the odds are that only one will
> go down at a time, so they are less likely to lose connectivity. The load
> balancer is capable of working with either static or dynamic addresses, or
> both at the same time.
>
> I thought it was an interesting project. I don't know if it is applicable to
> your situation. You can view my write up and some screen shots at
> http://www.linuxgeek.net/?page_id=121
>
> Matt Fanady wrote:
>> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking
>> for similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only easy
>> solution is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So if we
>> want more than a 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a
>> fractional DS3, or bonded T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>>
>> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is
>> welcome to comment of course.
>>
>> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All speeds
>> are symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>>
>> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
>> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
>> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
>> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>>
>> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>>
>> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The
>> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>>
>> -M@
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com> wrote:
>>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>>
>>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is a
>>> conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public and
>>> private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, etc)
>>>
>>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a circuit
>>> from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and then you will be
>>> as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>>
>>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good pricing from
>>> multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps circuits into a colocation
>>> facility, or anywhere that's on their networks (see: ON-NET). depending on
>>> how many sites you want to branch out to for coverage, it can get quite
>>> pricy quite quickly.
>>>
>>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber
>>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I have
>>> Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my buildings based
>>> on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term.  That's for a dedicated
>>> 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you can get alot of services
>>> quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get 1000Mbps wire to the internet
>>> with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>>
>>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let me know
>>> and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Whalen wrote:
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>>>> green bean wrote:
>>>> <blockquote
>>>>  cite="mid:827143b70904261100t402e0b7le18ffaea9f9d599a at mail.gmail.com"
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>>>>   <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service provider]<br>
>>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or less<br>
>>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only
>>>> one-fourth of the <br>
>>>> customers are online during internet rush hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125
>>>> MBPS<br>
>>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>>> time. <br>
>>>> how is that done?<br>
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>>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and speak BGP
>>>> to several providers, or connect to a single provider that does this
>>>> already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, Internap was the defacto
>>>> standard in the past for this, I don't know about now.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Brian<br>
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